Dear Brother,
You must be the only man that Ive seen in the past 35 years which states that Dr. Ruckman corrects the King James Bible. That is ludicrous and foolish. In fact, his whole ministry is based on the King James Bible and its perfection, as the word of God. I think you believe that. In fact, many a man has been castigated by him for correcting that Book.
The Doc knows what the mid-Acts position is for he recommends the works of Stam. They are on his reading list. He doesnt agree with his impotent teaching on water baptism though.
Weak position? The position of believing the statements of Paul in the King James bible? Youre funny also. Try comedy out in Hollywood. I get tired of watching the Three Stooges. The rest are too dirty for me.
Paul stated that he WAS NOT SENT to baptize. He certainly wasnt sent under the commission of Mark 16, for he doesnt connect it with salvation. You dont believe he was either, for you would then be a Bullingerite, instead of what you are. We both know that Bullinger taught he preached the kingdom message. Stam had better sense, and so does the Doc.
He was not SENT to baptize, but DID baptize. Why? Thats what gets your goat. The answer is right in the text. The baptism he performed was NOT theirs, which was one NECESSARY for salvation. It was HIS baptism, which wasnt. The GOSPEL was connected to salvation, not Pauls baptism.
You fail to see that believers in the Bible get baptized no matter what message they hear! Whether it be John the Baptists message, the Lords and 12s precrucifixion message, or the 12s post resurrection message in Acts 2.
Water baptism is part of the counsel of God. (Luke 7) Thanks Dr. Luke. He always comes to PAULS defense! John was told (John 1), the 12 were told (Mark 16), and Paul was TOLD within the ministry of Gods counsel.
You ask, Where is that? Look at Lydia. (Acts 16) She ATTENDED unto the things which were spoken by Paul! Her baptism is an ACT of TESTIMONY as to her belief in the message preached by Paul. He JUDGED her as faithful to the MESSAGE, due to her baptism. You say thats Baptist doctrine. Yes, and its also BIBLE TRUTH.
Paul proclaimed the COUNSEL OF GOD when he preached. (Acts 20) Ah, Dr. Luke again coming to the Pauline defense! That is the context of the statement. That counsel INCLUDED water baptism as shown by Luke. Paul TOLD Lydia to get baptized.
Your statement of Eph.4 is just as funny.
Paul is discussing the UNITY of the Spirit for members of the body of Christ. There is plainly more than one God (1 Cor.
, one Lord (1 Cor.
, one Spirit (2 Cor.11), and one baptism (1 Cor.1,12). His discussion concerns TO US, there is but one of these things which identifies the unity. Hes discussing the DOCTRINAL application in Eph.4, not the PRACTICAL applications as given in 1 and 2 Corinthians.
Sorry, bud, no cigar.
Why, Paul did not say he was the first member of the body of Christ. He said he was the first in a PATTERN of longsuffering shown by the Lord to those which should hereafter believe. The longsuffering was due to UNBELIEF. Those saved before him were looking for Christ and BELIEVED when he came. Paul was a RIGHTEOUS PHARISEE like the others seen at Johns baptism. They were UNBELIEVERS.
There were people in Christ before Paul. (Rom.16) Yes, you recognize the statement. Its a PAULINE term, describing the riches of the glory, Christ in you. (Col.1, Rom.
Those in Christ are in the body of Christ. Paul said the mystery was that GENTILES were fellowheirs, of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by his gospel. Who were they partakers with? It was the REMNANT, according to the election of grace. Jews. They were in Christ before Paul. They just didnt KNOW anything about the MYSTERY, which concerns the Body of Christ until Paul. These are the ones whom Paul and the Gentiles HELP OUT for they partook of their spiritual things. (Rom.15) Those are the believers at JERUSALEM.
Yes, you showed your ignorance in not knowing where it started again. The Doc told you WHEN it could come into existence and HOW it could come into existence.
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Did Paul go around trying to convince people not to get circumcised?
Why yes, he did go around telling GENTILES not to get circumcised, according to Acts 15, Gal.2,3,5,6, after they had been told to so by false teachers. You should know that.
You boys problem is that you want Paul to TELL YOU to baptize someone. The Doc proved thats not the case. Your little clich, We do what Paul said, not what Paul did is mere foolish rubbish, as if what he DID contradicted what he SAID. It doesnt!
You forget the Paul is an epistle, LIKE you. (1 Cor.3) Have you read him lately? His MANNER of LIFE teaches doctrine for the body of Christ for he is OUR PATTERN. (2 Tim.3-4, 1 Tim.1)
With that in mind, he writes to the bishops and deacons of the Phillipians (Hello Lydia, how did you get in there?).
Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do; and the God of peace shall be with you. (Phil.4)
Theres you a verse for water baptism.
Notice also he sends Timothy to the Corinthians to bring them into remember of PAULs WAYS which be in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.
Many of the Corinthians hearing, believed and were baptized. (1 Cor.1, Acts 1
Pauls failure to PERSONALLY dunk them is nothing. The Lord didnt either. He had it done for him, and it was accounted to him. (John 3)
Lets get one more just for feeling!
Notice in 2 Thessalonians 3 there are traditions taught by WORD and EPISTLE.
Water baptism was PRACTICED by Paul for it was one of his ways in Christ.
Thats several prooftexts for Pauls water baptism.
You STILL havent proved Paul quit baptizing anyone. You ASSUME it from Eph.4. Weak position, bud to quote you.
My position is documented by the Bible.
Believers in the Bible get baptized under any message. (Matt.3, John 3, Acts 2, Act 16)
Water baptism is under DIFFERENT ministries. (John 1, Mark 16, 1 Cor.1)
Water baptism is part of the counsel of God and is an ACT of TESTIMONY as to belief of the message. (Luke 7, Acts 2, 1 Cor.1, Acts 16, Acts 20)
Water baptism preached by everyone except Paul was for salvation. (Matt.3, Acts 2, Acts 16, 1 Cor.1)
The men WITH Paul, under his ministry baptized (Acts 16, 1
He didnt baptize all of them himself.
The ordained elders, bishops and deacons learned, received, heard and saw the truth of Pauls baptism of believers. (Phil. 1,4)
Baptism was practiced by Paul for it was one of his ways in Christ, which was a tradition, to be adhered to by WORD, other than EPISTLE. (1 Cor.4, 2 Thess.2)
Now what are you boys going to do with those verses now? Stam has never been able to do anything with them, nor has his mentor, or his PREVIOUS MENTOR.
You need to pick on someone other than the Doc, bud. Quit accusing a man of abandonment of the word, and having an accursed Book and doctrine. It just demonstrates your stupidity and foolish ignorance. Study the Book instead of HYPERDISPENSATIONALISM. He knew more about what you think you now know, before you ever saw and allegedlybelieved the Bible you say you believe.
Drop by the site. Id love to talk with you.
In Christ Jesus,
Carl W. Denson
Come see the evidence.
Youll see their errors...
www.themidweekrapture.com
You must be the only man that Ive seen in the past 35 years which states that Dr. Ruckman corrects the King James Bible. That is ludicrous and foolish. In fact, his whole ministry is based on the King James Bible and its perfection, as the word of God. I think you believe that. In fact, many a man has been castigated by him for correcting that Book.
The Doc knows what the mid-Acts position is for he recommends the works of Stam. They are on his reading list. He doesnt agree with his impotent teaching on water baptism though.
Weak position? The position of believing the statements of Paul in the King James bible? Youre funny also. Try comedy out in Hollywood. I get tired of watching the Three Stooges. The rest are too dirty for me.
Paul stated that he WAS NOT SENT to baptize. He certainly wasnt sent under the commission of Mark 16, for he doesnt connect it with salvation. You dont believe he was either, for you would then be a Bullingerite, instead of what you are. We both know that Bullinger taught he preached the kingdom message. Stam had better sense, and so does the Doc.
He was not SENT to baptize, but DID baptize. Why? Thats what gets your goat. The answer is right in the text. The baptism he performed was NOT theirs, which was one NECESSARY for salvation. It was HIS baptism, which wasnt. The GOSPEL was connected to salvation, not Pauls baptism.
You fail to see that believers in the Bible get baptized no matter what message they hear! Whether it be John the Baptists message, the Lords and 12s precrucifixion message, or the 12s post resurrection message in Acts 2.
Water baptism is part of the counsel of God. (Luke 7) Thanks Dr. Luke. He always comes to PAULS defense! John was told (John 1), the 12 were told (Mark 16), and Paul was TOLD within the ministry of Gods counsel.
You ask, Where is that? Look at Lydia. (Acts 16) She ATTENDED unto the things which were spoken by Paul! Her baptism is an ACT of TESTIMONY as to her belief in the message preached by Paul. He JUDGED her as faithful to the MESSAGE, due to her baptism. You say thats Baptist doctrine. Yes, and its also BIBLE TRUTH.
Paul proclaimed the COUNSEL OF GOD when he preached. (Acts 20) Ah, Dr. Luke again coming to the Pauline defense! That is the context of the statement. That counsel INCLUDED water baptism as shown by Luke. Paul TOLD Lydia to get baptized.
Your statement of Eph.4 is just as funny.
Paul is discussing the UNITY of the Spirit for members of the body of Christ. There is plainly more than one God (1 Cor.
Sorry, bud, no cigar.
Why, Paul did not say he was the first member of the body of Christ. He said he was the first in a PATTERN of longsuffering shown by the Lord to those which should hereafter believe. The longsuffering was due to UNBELIEF. Those saved before him were looking for Christ and BELIEVED when he came. Paul was a RIGHTEOUS PHARISEE like the others seen at Johns baptism. They were UNBELIEVERS.
There were people in Christ before Paul. (Rom.16) Yes, you recognize the statement. Its a PAULINE term, describing the riches of the glory, Christ in you. (Col.1, Rom.
Yes, you showed your ignorance in not knowing where it started again. The Doc told you WHEN it could come into existence and HOW it could come into existence.
Quote:
Did Paul go around trying to convince people not to get circumcised?
Why yes, he did go around telling GENTILES not to get circumcised, according to Acts 15, Gal.2,3,5,6, after they had been told to so by false teachers. You should know that.
You boys problem is that you want Paul to TELL YOU to baptize someone. The Doc proved thats not the case. Your little clich, We do what Paul said, not what Paul did is mere foolish rubbish, as if what he DID contradicted what he SAID. It doesnt!
You forget the Paul is an epistle, LIKE you. (1 Cor.3) Have you read him lately? His MANNER of LIFE teaches doctrine for the body of Christ for he is OUR PATTERN. (2 Tim.3-4, 1 Tim.1)
With that in mind, he writes to the bishops and deacons of the Phillipians (Hello Lydia, how did you get in there?).
Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do; and the God of peace shall be with you. (Phil.4)
Theres you a verse for water baptism.
Notice also he sends Timothy to the Corinthians to bring them into remember of PAULs WAYS which be in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.
Many of the Corinthians hearing, believed and were baptized. (1 Cor.1, Acts 1
Lets get one more just for feeling!
Notice in 2 Thessalonians 3 there are traditions taught by WORD and EPISTLE.
Water baptism was PRACTICED by Paul for it was one of his ways in Christ.
Thats several prooftexts for Pauls water baptism.
You STILL havent proved Paul quit baptizing anyone. You ASSUME it from Eph.4. Weak position, bud to quote you.
My position is documented by the Bible.
Believers in the Bible get baptized under any message. (Matt.3, John 3, Acts 2, Act 16)
Water baptism is under DIFFERENT ministries. (John 1, Mark 16, 1 Cor.1)
Water baptism is part of the counsel of God and is an ACT of TESTIMONY as to belief of the message. (Luke 7, Acts 2, 1 Cor.1, Acts 16, Acts 20)
Water baptism preached by everyone except Paul was for salvation. (Matt.3, Acts 2, Acts 16, 1 Cor.1)
The men WITH Paul, under his ministry baptized (Acts 16, 1
The ordained elders, bishops and deacons learned, received, heard and saw the truth of Pauls baptism of believers. (Phil. 1,4)
Baptism was practiced by Paul for it was one of his ways in Christ, which was a tradition, to be adhered to by WORD, other than EPISTLE. (1 Cor.4, 2 Thess.2)
Now what are you boys going to do with those verses now? Stam has never been able to do anything with them, nor has his mentor, or his PREVIOUS MENTOR.
You need to pick on someone other than the Doc, bud. Quit accusing a man of abandonment of the word, and having an accursed Book and doctrine. It just demonstrates your stupidity and foolish ignorance. Study the Book instead of HYPERDISPENSATIONALISM. He knew more about what you think you now know, before you ever saw and allegedlybelieved the Bible you say you believe.
Drop by the site. Id love to talk with you.
In Christ Jesus,
Carl W. Denson
Come see the evidence.
Youll see their errors...
www.themidweekrapture.com
